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From the High Desert

A Cultural History of Art Bell

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May 12, 1999: Citizens Against UFO Secrecy - Michael Cremo | Lawsuit - Peter Gersten

May 12, 1999
2h 55m
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Art Bell speaks with attorney Peter Gersten, founder of Citizens Against UFO Secrecy, about his ongoing legal battle to force government disclosure of UFO-related documents. Gersten describes his dismissed FOIA lawsuit against the Army over records referenced in Colonel Philip Corso's book and outlines his active case demanding Department of Defense information on flying triangle sightings. He calls on listeners to submit affidavits and photographic evidence to support future legal proceedings.

In the second half, researcher Michael Cremo joins to discuss evidence of extreme human antiquity that challenges conventional archaeology. He describes metallic spheres found in South African mineral deposits dated to roughly two billion years ago, with machined precision that metallurgists cannot explain as natural formations. He also reveals stone tools and human skeletal remains discovered deep inside California gold mines beneath layers of rock dating back tens of millions of years.

Cremo recounts the fierce resistance his work has provoked from the scientific establishment, including campaigns to pressure NBC into canceling a television special featuring his findings and a petition to the FCC demanding the network be fined and forced to issue public apologies for airing the program.

Key Moments

  1. Judge dismisses Corso/Roswell FOIA suit: Gersten explains his FOIA suit demanding Army records for the alien autopsy reports and 1947 Fort Riley alien bodies Colonel Corso swore he saw, and how the judge accepted the Army's 'reasonable search' affidavit and dismissed the case.

  2. Suing the states under Article IV for abductions: Gersten outlines a novel suit invoking Article IV, Section 4's protection against invasion, arguing that decades of consistent abduction reports describe criminal acts that are dismissed only because the perpetrators are non-human.

  3. Cremo's two-billion-year human timeline: Art frames the spectrum: religious fundamentalists at 6,000 years, mainstream archaeology at 100,000, and Cremo arguing humans have been here a couple of billion years.

  4. South African grooved metallic spheres: Cremo describes the Klerksdorp spheres pulled from 2.8-billion-year-old pyrophyllite at Otisdalen, with parallel equatorial grooves, hematite composition, and a radius variation under 1/4000 of an inch that a MUFON engineer called impossibly precise.

  5. Klerksdorp sphere reportedly rotates on its own: Cremo relays a report that one of the spheres on display at the Museum of Natural History in Klerksdorp would rotate by itself inside its sealed case.