Targ describes compelling evidence for life after death, including a chess match played through a medium between living grandmaster Victor Korchnoi and a deceased Hungarian player. Bobby Fischer, whom Targ identifies as his brother-in-law, confirmed the moves were at grandmaster level. Targ also addresses the relationship between remote viewing and out-of-body experiences, describing them as points along the same continuum of consciousness.
The conversation shifts to Targ new book, The End of Suffering. He presents research showing aerospace workers at Lockheed and Boeing were were dying prematurely after retirement, attributing this to a loss of identity. Targ advocates for Buddhist-style mindfulness practices as a way to discover a sense of self beyond career and circumstance, arguing that understanding one is more than a physical body is the key to ending suffering.
Key Moments
Future is knowable: Targ describes organizing an AAAS retrocausality conference and states flatly that the future is not only knowable but already known, citing government forecasting work and silver-market trials.
CIA monitor's airplane-crash dream: Targ tells the story of an SRI/CIA contract monitor who had a vivid dream of a fiery airplane crash, drove his colleague to the Detroit airport, and then watched that exact plane go down as he drove away.
Targ disputes Ed Dames: Asked directly about Dames's claims of pinpoint location and timing, Targ says he has followed the work for years and to his knowledge Dames has never publicly forecast or described anything that turned out to be correct.
Typhoon submarine year-in-advance hit: Targ recounts Joe McMoneagle being given Soviet coordinates and drawing an enormous 500-foot submarine a quarter mile from the ocean a full year before satellite imagery confirmed the Typhoon-class sub.
Ingo Swann calls a failed Chinese bomb test: Targ describes Ingo Swann, asked to view a site four days in the future, calling for colored pencils to draw a pyrotechnic display; CIA later read the picture as a Chinese atomic test that would fizzle, burning uranium rather than detonating.