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February 11, 2007: Skinwalker Ranch and Area 51 - George Knapp & Colm Kelleher

Feb 11, 2007
2h 36m
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Art Bell welcomes investigative journalist George Knapp and biochemist Dr. Colm Kelleher for a discussion about Utah's Skinwalker Ranch, the subject of their book, and an update on Area 51. Kelleher, who served as project manager at Robert Bigelow's National Institute for Discovery Science, describes the ranch as a hotbed of anomalous activity stretching back generations through Ute tribal oral history.

Kelleher recounts specific incidents investigated by NIDS, including an 84-pound calf found completely stripped of flesh in broad daylight just yards from the rancher's home, with no sound, tracks, or visible perpetrator. He also describes the baffling destruction of surveillance cameras by an unseen force that was caught on a second camera's feed, yet nothing appeared on the footage. Both guests explain that the phenomena seemed to possess a precognitive, sentient quality, never repeating and always staying one step ahead of investigators. Activity at the ranch has recently resumed after a period of quiet.

George Knapp reflects on his career-altering decision to report on Area 51 beginning in 1989, confirming the base remains fully operational despite reports to the contrary. The first hour features unscreened open lines with callers sharing shadow people encounters, time travel proposals, and 9/11 debate.

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    Sulfur smell, infrared-only lights: Kelleher describes a classic Skinwalker incident: a strong sulfur smell at a fresh site with no tracks, no radiation, no visible residue - and infrared cameras revealing dull yellow lights that human eyes could not detect.

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    Cameras ripped from telephone pole: In July 1998 three surveillance cameras on one pole simultaneously lost power; researchers found the wiring, duct tape, and PVC anchoring forcibly ripped off - captured by a fourth camera on a separate pole.

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    Why NIDS refused to draw conclusions: Kelleher explains they cataloged phenomena and ran through fraud, dimensional realities, ET visitation, and hallucinations - but deliberately refused to commit to one explanation, fearing a wrong call would derail serious science.

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    Summer 1997: interaction but never on our terms: Kelleher recalls feeling the team was close to a breakthrough in summer 1997 - leaving symbol-marked bricks and constructing dog-biosensor watchtowers - but communication only ever happened on the phenomenon's terms, not theirs.

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    Neighbors confirm identical phenomena: Kelleher says all five or six surrounding properties independently reported phenomena nearly identical to the Gorman family's, giving the research significant credibility - and warns the ranch is still under surveillance, no trespassers.

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