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A Cultural History of Art Bell

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September 13, 2002: Witchcraft & The Occult - Dr. Evelyn Paglini

Sep 13, 2002
2h 47m
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Art Bell welcomes Dr. Evelyn Paglini, a lifelong practitioner of natural magic trained by her grandfather from age four, for a Friday the 13th exploration of witchcraft, mirror magic, and the occult. Art addresses listener objections about hosting a witch by declaring his belief that magic is real while maintaining his own spiritual convictions. The first hour features open lines covering topics from the Nevada marijuana legalization ballot measure to Buzz Aldrin punching a moon-landing denier.

Dr. Paglini explains that mirrors, along with any reflective surface including water, polished metal, and crystal, serve as portals and gateways to other dimensions. She describes three categories of mirror work: personal scrying mirrors painted black and consecrated under a full moon for divination, worker mirrors assigned specific protective or influential tasks, and mirrors used for astral projection into other realities. A caller recounts childhood experiences of stepping into reflected images between angled mirrors.

The conversation turns to the darker applications of mirror magic, including the ability to send thought forms through reflective surfaces to influence others. Dr. Paglini connects shadow people sightings to mirror portals, suggesting these beings use glass and reflective surfaces as doorways between dimensions. She argues that sharing this formerly secret knowledge levels the playing field against practitioners who have used these techniques for centuries.

Key Moments

  1. Witchcraft is not godless: Responding to an emailer who called Art a godless man for hosting a witch, Paglini insists natural magic is not godless, that all things come from God, and practitioners tap the same God force.

  2. The Vatican performs ceremonial magic in secret: Paglini tells Art she knows the high levels of the Catholic Church understand magic is real and have performed ceremonial magic to evoke and summon, citing Father Malachi Martin as having attested to it.

  3. The perfectly possessed CEOs: Art and Paglini connect successful corporate figures to Father Malachi Martin's category of the perfectly possessed, people who have made their deal and use occult knowledge to manipulate, subjugate and control.

  4. Magic is neutral, like a gun: Paglini argues magic itself is neutral; it is the practitioner's intent that turns it light or dark, comparing handing magical knowledge to an untrained person to giving a gun to a five-year-old.

  5. How to walk into a mirror: Paglini gives operational instructions for scrying through mirrors: a darkened room, a single white candle reflected but not the practitioner, optionally a painting reflected so you can step into the scene as it comes alive.