October 6, 1999: The Creation & Evidence - Steve Grohman | Aliens in Print Ads - Peter Gersten
Grohman, an ordained Baptist minister who travels the country with fossils and live reptiles he considers modern dinosaurs, makes his case that Earth is only six to seven thousand years old. He challenges carbon dating methods, argues that reptiles in the original creation grew to enormous sizes due to longer lifespans, and claims cave art proves humans and dinosaurs coexisted.
Art pushes back on both guests with pointed questions about dating science, the possibility of extraterrestrial life, and whether biblical literalism can accommodate the vastness of the universe. Callers weigh in on everything from evolution to eternal consequences of belief.
Key Moments
Winston cigarette ad mocks alien abductees: UFO attorney Peter Gersten describes a two-page R.J. Reynolds Winston ad in weekly papers asking 'If aliens are smart enough to travel through space, why do they keep abducting the dumbest people on Earth?' He explains he called the company and was told to wait four to six weeks for a response.
Bigelow weighs in; Gersten's invasion lawsuit: Gersten reveals that Robert Bigelow emailed him urging that R.J. Reynolds apologize to abductees and possibly fund research. Gersten ties the issue to his own lawsuit against Arizona and the U.S. government, citing Article 4, Section 4 of the Constitution requiring federal protection of states from invasion - abductions being his theory of invasion.
Grohman challenges carbon dating's foundations: Creation researcher Steve Grohman argues that carbon-14 dating, invented by Willard Libby in 1953, was said by Libby himself to be reliable only to about 2,000 years. Grohman contends the assumption of a constant decay rate is invalid because Earth's weakening magnetic field lets in more cosmic radiation today than centuries ago, skewing all results.
Why a 'day' in Genesis must be 24 hours: Grohman argues the Hebrew word for 'day' in Genesis 1, when paired with an ordinal number and the phrase 'evening and morning,' is always a 24-hour period. He notes plants made on day three could not survive millions of years without the sun (made on day four), and that pre-Fall vegetarianism rules out long ages of bloodshed.