The conversation shifts to the broader implications of ancient history, touching on the Piri Reis map as evidence of advanced pre-ice age civilizations and the mysterious glyphs of Abydos. Hoagland connects these threads to suggest humanity may not be the first advanced civilization on Earth, and that the mammoth discovery offers a window into a forgotten era.
Art and Hoagland also address President Clinton's increasingly erratic behavior, including an unusual solo golf outing in the rain and repeated remarks about wanting a third term. They explore whether these oddities signal foreknowledge of a coming event, and Hoagland appeals to listeners with insider knowledge to come forward with information about what may be planned for November 1999.
Key Moments
Cloning a frozen mammoth and the virus problem: Hoagland walks through the planned mammoth cloning procedure (Dolly-style nuclear transfer into an elephant) and warns the resulting calf would have no immunity to modern pathogens, while thawing the carcass itself risks releasing viable ancient organisms.
Piri Reis map and a lost prior civilization: Hoagland connects the mammoth thaw timing to Charles Hapgood's work on the Piri Reis map and FDR-era diplomatic efforts to obtain it, arguing humanity may not be the first advanced civilization on Earth.
Viable T-Rex blood cells in Montana femur: Hoagland recounts a grad-student claim that opening a Tyrannosaurus rex femur from Montana yielded viable blood cells, suggesting dinosaur cloning may be closer than the standard fossilization story allows.
President locked out of the White House on C-SPAN: Hoagland describes watching C-SPAN as President Clinton, after a press conference on the nuclear test ban treaty, walks back down the red-carpet hallway and finds the door to the residence locked, with Secret Service eventually emerging.
Third-term scenario and the November 7 rumor: Hoagland argues Clinton's repeated public musings about a third term only make sense under a martial-law scenario in which executive orders allow him to remain in office, and ties this to a sourced rumor of a major event around November 7, 1999.