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A Cultural History of Art Bell

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November 4, 2006: Abductions, Area 51, and Alien Implants - Dr. Roger Leir

Nov 4, 2006
2h 41m
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Art Bell welcomes Dr. Roger Leir, a podiatrist who has become one of ufology's leading figures in physical evidence research. The program opens with election coverage before turning to Dr. Leir's work removing suspected alien implants from abductees. Now on his twelfth surgery, he describes extracting a metallic rod from a woman's toe that emitted a radio signal at precisely 30.012732 megahertz and generated a magnetic field of four milligauss.

Dr. Leir recounts a recent trip near Area 51 during Red Flag military exercises, where his team witnessed rotating lights on a hillside and later observed a massive triangular craft blocking out stars while flying alongside F-16s at high altitude. A Belgian pilot staying at the same inn smiled and told him all the stories about Area 51 are true. Art confirms the description matches his own close encounter with an identical silent triangular craft.

The discussion covers laboratory analysis of previously removed objects at facilities including Los Alamos and Southwest Labs, where scientists found amorphous iron that was inexplicably magnetic. Dr. Leir shares his plans to establish a dedicated institute for physical evidence research, equipped with isolated testing rooms and broadcast capabilities to present findings directly to the public.

Key Moments

  1. The day America believed in flying saucers: Leir recalls his father reading the San Francisco Examiner headline 'U.S. Army Air Force captures flying saucer' in 1947, and the next day's retraction to a balloon, framing his lifelong UFO interest.

  2. Six lights rotating over Area 51: On a recent Red Flag war-games trip, Leir and three others watch counterclockwise rotating lights appear and descend on a hill - something he believes saw them and went back down.

  3. Triangle blots out the stars and a Belgian admission: Leir watches a silent black triangle pass at altitude over Area 51 escorted by F-16s; later a Belgian pilot stationed at the base smiles and tells him 'all the things you hear about Area 51, yes, they're all true.'

  4. Black-budget lab can't explain amorphous magnetic iron: Leir describes taking an implant to Southwest Labs in San Antonio, where black-budget scientists are baffled that the iron inside is magnetic but amorphous, with no crystalline structure.

  5. Implant transmits at 30.012732 MHz: Before removing a rod-shaped object from a nurse's third toe, Leir's RF detector locks onto a precise frequency, which Bell, a lifelong ham, immediately wishes he could have analyzed live.