Episode 0811 · May 10, 2001 · 1h 10m
May 10, 2001: The Watchers - Michael Heiser
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Open transcriptThe Watchers and benign extraterrestrialsHeiser explains his theological framework: he can embrace ETs if they are benign, but Genesis 6 'sons of God' and the Book of Enoch's watchers - who came down and bred with human women - are something else entirely, more interdimensional than extraterrestrial.
Sitchin's combustion-rocket Anunnaki problemHeiser challenges Zecharia Sitchin's reading that Nephilim means 'people of the fiery rockets' - asking whether deep space travel is really being accomplished by combustion rockets, calling the translation ridiculous.
Sitchin invented a Sumerian word that cannot existHeiser walks through Sitchin's Shem/Shamu/Shumu rocket-tower-of-Babel chain, then points out that Sitchin's translation 'that which is a mu' requires a relative pronoun - and Sumerian is one of the few languages that has no relative pronouns. Sitchin made the word up.
Why Elohim plural is not the TrinityHeiser explains that reading the plural Elohim as the Trinity actually destroys Trinitarian doctrine - Exodus 15:11 says 'Who is like you, Yahweh, among the gods,' which would mean the Son and Spirit are inferior to the Father. He calls himself an 'equal opportunity irritant.'
Bible Code phrases also appear in Moby DickHeiser cites mathematician Brendan McKay, who reproduced the Bible Code experiment on the Hebrew text of Moby Dick and found the same kinds of phrases - including, memorably, the phrase 'no Bible Code.'
Heiser challenges Zecharia Sitchin's translations of key terms like Nephilim and Elohim, demonstrating through Hebrew and Akkadian grammar that several of Sitchin's foundational claims contain errors a first-year language student would recognize. He shows that the plural word Elohim frequently functions as a singular noun and that Sitchin's translation of Nephilim as "people of the fiery rockets" requires changing the spelling of the original word.
The discussion shifts to Heiser's new work, The Bible Code Myth, where he argues that textual criticism and manuscript variations undermine the premise of hidden letter sequences in scripture. Art proposes future debates pairing Heiser against both Sitchin and Bible code proponents.
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