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From the High Desert

A Cultural History of Art Bell

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March 5, 1998: Death of James McDougal - Chris Ruddy | Time Machine Inventor - Steven Gibbs

Mar 5, 1998
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Art Bell opens with investigative reporter Chris Ruddy to examine the sudden death of Whitewater figure James McDougal in federal prison. Ruddy explains that McDougal died of an apparent heart attack while in solitary confinement, just two weeks after former Arkansas Governor Jim Guy Tucker reportedly agreed to cooperate with Kenneth Starr. Because grand jury testimony cannot be cross-examined, McDougal's death effectively renders his evidence inadmissible in court.

Ruddy raises troubling questions about the timing and circumstances, noting that McDougal died six years to the day after the Whitewater scandal first broke. He connects the case to broader concerns about the Vince Foster investigation and reveals that McDougal told him off the record he was never questioned about Foster by Starr's office. The discussion also touches on Linda Tripp being held in an FBI-guarded safe house.

In the second half, Art speaks with Steven Gibbs, a Nebraska farm boy who claims to build and sell time machines. Gibbs describes his device, which uses an electromagnet, tuning dials, and coils placed around the forehead. A customer named Augie Nost calls in to describe his own experience using the machine.

Key Moments

  1. McDougal dies on six-year anniversary of Whitewater scandal breaking: Ruddy notes McDougal died of an apparent heart attack on March 8, 1992 - exactly six years to the day after the Whitewater scandal first broke in the New York Times, two weeks after Governor Tucker reportedly agreed to corroborate his testimony.

  2. McDougal's death kills the case against Hillary Clinton: Ruddy explains that with McDougal dead, his grand jury testimony becomes inadmissible hearsay. Sources tell him this is a serious blow to Starr's investigation, which was moving toward Hillary Clinton as attorney for Madison Guarantee.

  3. Ruddy reveals McDougal said Starr never asked him about Vince Foster: Ruddy discloses for the first time, post-McDougal's death, that McDougal told him off the record before going to prison that Ken Starr's investigators never questioned him about Vince Foster - a stunning omission given Foster's central role.

  4. Augie Nost describes seeing a volcano erupt while wearing the time machine: A user of Gibbs's HDR (Hyper Dimensional Resonator) describes meditating with the time coil wrapped around his head and the electromagnet on his belly, then seeing a vivid vision of a Pacific Northwest volcano blowing its top, dated July 7, 1999.

  5. Gibbs warns Bell his time machine could trap him in a 'hell region' near Las Vegas: Time machine inventor Steven Gibbs warns Art Bell that activating the device near Las Vegas could send him through a negative grid point that 'locks into a hell region,' and recommends bringing the unit in his car using a 12-volt inverter in case he travels physically to a time before electricity.