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From the High Desert

A Cultural History of Art Bell

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March 21, 2004: UFOs - John Lear

Mar 21, 2004
2h 53m
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Art Bell welcomes back John Lear, son of Learjet inventor Bill Lear, for a wide-ranging conversation about his decades in ufology. Lear recounts his aviation career, including setting a world speed record in a Learjet and racing at Reno, before describing how Bud Hopkins' book Missing Time launched his UFO research in the mid-1980s.

The discussion turns to Lear's provocative claims about the nature of human existence. Drawing on what Bob Lazar reportedly read at S4, Lear presents his theory that mankind is an experiment and that a massive structure on the moon serves as a transmitter and receiver of souls. He connects this to astronaut testimony, suggesting Apollo crews were psychologically conditioned to forget what they observed on the lunar surface.

Art and Lear also examine gravity as an instantaneous force, element 115 and its role in extraterrestrial propulsion, the Aztec crash retrieval of 1948 as told by eyewitness Doug Nolan, and why Lear believes official disclosure will never occur. Callers press Lear on topics from the nature of the afterlife to the increase in reported homosexuality.

Key Moments

  1. The Moon was towed here and placed by a very large machine: Lear states that the Moon did not form naturally but was towed from somewhere else and placed in rotational lock around Earth by a very large machine.

  2. Lazar read at S4 that mankind is an experiment: Lear says Bob Lazar read documents at the test site stating mankind is an ongoing experiment and that religions, including the Ten Commandments and the Koran, were created by the experimenters as rules to keep us from harming ourselves.

  3. The structure on the Moon transmits and receives souls: Lear describes a six-mile-high tripod with a mile-wide cube in the Sinus Medii pointed at Earth and claims it is a machine that transmits souls at birth and retracts them at death.

  4. Cleaning out the Petri dish: Earth cleansed every 25,000 years: Lear tells Bell the experimenters will soon 'clean out the Petri dish' and that, according to records, the Earth is cleansed and restarted roughly every 25,000 years.

  5. Bob Lazar's gigantic weapon and the gravity-phone ultimatum to the Greys' makers: Lear recounts Lazar telling him about a weapon capable of destroying half a continent and an ultimatum sent via an instantaneous 'gravity phone' to the makers of the Greys, who live more than a thousand light years away.