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A Cultural History of Art Bell

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March 12, 2001: The Case for NASA's UFOs - David Sereda & James Oberg

Mar 12, 2001
2h 45m
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David Sereda joins Art Bell to discuss Evidence 2001 and NASA shuttle UFO footage, with NASA mission-control veteran James Oberg joining later as a self-described debunker. Art also presents what he calls the best ghost photograph ever submitted to the program, showing a half-materialized figure on a Montreal sidewalk. He covers the Mir space station's mutant fungus, mysterious ice rings appearing across Canada, and Wall Street's sharp decline. Reports of a massive orange orb sighting near Las Vegas and the Radio and Records convention in Los Angeles round out the first hours.

Sereda explains that the shuttle's black-and-white video cameras detect light in the near-ultraviolet spectrum, making visible phenomena the human eye cannot see. He details Dr. Louis Frank's discovery of millions of apparent water balls entering Earth's atmosphere and Dr. Joseph Nooth's confirmation that these objects appear only in ultraviolet wavelengths.

Sereda focuses on the 1996 STS-75 tether incident, arguing that disc-shaped objects passing behind the 12-mile-long tether measure two to three miles in diameter. He connects the pulsing, notched disc shape to ancient dropa stones found on the Tibetan-Chinese border and to the Dogon tribe's knowledge of the Sirius star system, suggesting a connection spanning thousands of years.

Key Moments

  1. Process of Elimination on NASA footage: David Sereda recounts how a tip from Canadian photographer Mike Boyle led him to Martin Stubbs's archive of 400+ hours of NASA Select Channel recordings, and how he began a systematic Process of Elimination with NASA astrochemist Dr. Joseph Nuth III to rule out known phenomena.

  2. Lou Frank's small comets paradox: Sereda details Dr. Louis Frank's hypothesis that 10-20 million 40-ton balls of water hit Earth's upper atmosphere yearly at 35,000 mph - visible only in ultraviolet, despite the physics conventionally saying water cannot survive open space near the Sun.

  3. Tether UFOs match the England disc: Sereda walks through frame-by-frame analysis of the STS-75 tether footage - round, pulsing, mostly-light discs with a black hole center, ring, and a notch - claiming three exact matches to a UFO videotaped in England in October 2000.

  4. Oberg debunks the tether glow live: NASA mission control veteran James Oberg joins the show and rejects Sereda's central claims: the shuttle's black-and-white cameras are off-the-shelf optical, not UV-sensitive; the tether glow was sunlight, not zero-point energy; and the snap was a wire-through-magnetic-field motor effect.

  5. Oberg catches Sereda fabricating details: Oberg presses Sereda on his published claim that NASA recovered the satellite and found knobs turned - Sereda concedes the satellite was never recovered and that knobs were not actually mentioned, only inferred. Oberg accuses him of making up extra details.