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From the High Desert

A Cultural History of Art Bell

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June 13, 2002: Shamanism - Hank Wesselman

Jun 13, 2002
2h 40m
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Art Bell welcomes anthropologist Dr. Hank Wesselman, who has spent over 30 years conducting field research on human origins in East Africa's Great Rift Valley. Their conversation spans from the precise science of potassium-argon dating to the discovery of Ardipithecus, a fossil creature that may represent the long-sought missing link between apes and humans. Wesselman recounts a memorable 18-hour flight where he systematically dismantled a creationist missionary's worldview using physical evidence.

The discussion shifts to the transformational community, a growing movement of roughly 50 million Americans who believe in alternate realities and an underlying field of power connecting all things. Wesselman shares Polynesian creation myths describing humanity arriving as "seeds of light" from across the universe, accompanied by spiritual guardians. He connects these traditions to fossil evidence of early Miocene apes dating back 18 million years.

Wesselman then reveals his own spontaneous altered-state experiences in the Ethiopian desert during the 1970s, where a colleague witnessed him floating over camp at night. He describes encountering a tall, featureless, dark silhouette during a later visionary episode, a figure matching what thousands of listeners have reported as shadow people, and one found in rock art worldwide.

Key Moments

  1. Greer's 'Cosmic Deception' warning: Art reads from Dr. Steven Greer's 'Cosmic Deception' essay, warning of a shadowy paragovernmental entity planning a fake extraterrestrial threat to dwarf 9/11 and justify weapons in space.

  2. The 'Bloop' deep-sea sound: Art reports on 'Bloop,' a mysterious ultra-loud underwater sound picked up by Navy spy sensors 3,000 miles apart in 1997 - too large for any known whale, possibly a giant unknown sea creature.

  3. Debating the creationist on an 18-hour flight: Wesselman recounts being seated next to a creationist missionary on an Addis Ababa-to-Newark flight, handing him a 5.5-million-year-old chunk of fossil wood, then walking him through potassium-argon dating step by step.

  4. 'What were you doing flying over my tent last night?': In the Ethiopian field, Wesselman dismissed his expanded states as dreams - until an African worker named Kambulu walked up to him at the water tank and casually asked why he had been flying over his tent the night before.

  5. First spirit encounter, Berkeley 1982: Wesselman describes his first full visionary state - a swing-like vibration rising into paralysis, then finding himself standing in a dark forest hearing his wife turn a page beside him, where he had a direct encounter with what tribal people call a spirit.