Art directs listeners to view the NASA image online, describing it as unmistakably human with clearly defined eyes, nose, mouth, and a crown-like feature. Unlike the original Cydonia face, this formation bears no ambiguity. Art and Luckman debate whether the face supports the theory that humans originated on Mars, with Luckman citing Zechariah Sitchin's work suggesting Mars served as a way station between a distant planet and Earth. Adjacent image strips reveal building-like objects near the face, strengthening the case for artificial construction.
The discussion broadens to include the UFO cover-up, the Disclosure Project, and whether extraterrestrials monitor human conflicts. Luckman proposes a mass psychic outreach to alien civilizations, but Art declines, citing his cautious approach to mass-mind experiments and uncertainty about whether such contact would attract benevolent or hostile entities.
Key Moments
A second face on Mars: Luckman explains the find: amateur astronomer Greg Orme, working with Arthur C. Clarke, spotted a second face in NASA imagery. Luckman, Tom Van Flandern and Brian O'Leary announced it at a New York news conference.
Straight NASA photo, only the color was added: Art presses Luckman on whether the dramatic image has been altered. Luckman insists the only change is added pigmentation for visibility - the contouring is unmodified, straight from a NASA photograph.
It looks like your next-door neighbor: Art and Luckman compare the image to a typical face. Luckman says with or without the added color it's an absolutely human face - photograph-like, superimposed on the Martian surface.
Arthur C. Clarke and giant trees: Luckman ties the face find to Arthur C. Clarke's recent statement about large life on Mars - which he interprets as large vegetation or trees - and Art confirms he has seen images that look like very thick desert vegetation.
Disinvited by Joan Rivers: Luckman tells how he called into Joan Rivers' show, walked her through the Disclosure Project briefings and the Rockefeller report. Her assistant booked him for a full hour - then by Monday Rivers had reversed and disinvited him.