Following the interview, Dr. Rod Lewis of the Network for Scientific Intelligence expands on the discussion, revealing that Los Alamos researchers working on psychotronic weapons became alarmed when their work shifted toward contacting non-human intelligences for military purposes. Lewis connects the Nightline revelation to broader government interest in catastrophic future scenarios informed by chaos theory and the Gaia hypothesis.
Art Bell also covers the Jupiter probe's successful parachute descent, the Senate vote to ban late-term abortions, and Russian submarines shadowing U.S. naval assets despite the supposed end of the Cold War.
Key Moments
Dames: Stargate's $11–20M was research, not collection; Nightline got it wrong: Dames says Ted Koppel's Nightline mischaracterized the program: the $11–20M CIA figure covered research, not the operational intelligence-collection unit he led. Stargate, he claims, was only the last 6–24 months and ran with three viewers - one he trained, plus two 'naturals' he disparages as tarot readers tied to congressmen.
Ingo Swann's 1983 SRI breakthrough: structured RV protocols: Dames credits Ingo Swann's 1983 discovery at Stanford Research Institute - a six-stage structured protocol that lets a viewer download data from the 'collective unconscious' while suppressing imagination - as the breakthrough that made RV reliable enough for military operations.
PsiTech is currently working the Unabomber case: Dames states his private firm PsiTech is working with a federal agency on the Unabomber, has identified the principals as concentrated in the South Bend, Indiana area, and is modeling the next bombs being built for use against surveillance.
PFIAB chair: 'Man should not know these things until he dies': Dames recounts that when the head of the President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board was briefed on the unit, he 'went sheet white' and said man should not know these things until he dies - illustrating the institutional fear and ostracism the unit faced.
Dames' grim forecast: bovine AIDS, ozone-driven pandemics, weather collapse: Asked about a 'quickening,' Dames says his team has perceived massive global weather changes preventing conventional crop growing, ozone-driven mutation rates outpacing vaccines, and a bovine AIDS transmitted by somatotropin needles that 'kills a lot of babies' - and that humanity will not rise to the occasion.