December 10, 1995: Ingo Swann - Linda Moulton Howe | NASA Scientist - Dr. Brian O'Leary
Dr. Brian O'Leary, a former Apollo program scientist-astronaut selected to fly to Mars before the mission was canceled, discusses his decade-long exploration of zero-point energy and the paranormal. He describes visiting inventors worldwide who have demonstrated devices producing anomalous amounts of electricity by accelerating magnets through the zero-point field, noting that Japanese corporations are actively investing in these technologies. O'Leary also addresses the Face on Mars research, explaining that peer-reviewed image analysis suggests the features could be artificial constructions.
Art Bell connects these threads to the broader paradigm shift he observes accelerating across science, consciousness research, and energy technology.
Key Moments
Swann: We had to hit 65% accuracy to stay funded: In Linda Moulton Howe's tape, Ingo Swann tells her the SRI program had to achieve 65% accuracy to remain competitive with conventional intelligence gathering - directly contradicting the CIA's recently-released 15% figure that Nightline had echoed.
Swann's 'eight-martini' Kerguelen Island session: Swann describes the 1973 SRI session where, given only coordinates over the South Atlantic, he traced the contours of Kerguelen Island, sketched orange-tent outhouses and bird droppings - and inadvertently penetrated a then-secret joint Soviet-French research station, prompting an unofficial diplomatic protest to Washington.
Swann: Soviet sub session ends with brass walking out, then a payday: Swann describes a high-stakes session in front of military brass where he sketched a UFO above a Soviet submarine, whispered to Hal Puthoff that he thought the sub had downed it (or vice versa), and the senior officer silently took the page and walked out - only for Puthoff to get a call days later asking, 'Okay, how much money do you want?'
O'Leary: Selected as astronaut to go to Mars: Brian O'Leary recounts being selected by NASA in 1967 as a scientist-astronaut on the Mars mission, with Alan Shepard on the interview committee asking if he would 'submit to a hazardous two-year journey to Mars.' He describes Apollo-era NASA as having vision that has since died.
O'Leary: My own RV experience at Princeton broke the materialist paradigm: O'Leary describes a 1979 Lifespring exercise at Princeton where he correctly described a stranger's friend in Allentown - a journalist/meteorologist who spent time on Maui and had lost his wife. He then connects it to Robert Jahn's PEAR psychokinesis work in the engineering basement, citing one-part-in-5,000 mind-over-matter effects.