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December 5, 2002: Study of Extraterrestial Intelligence - Dr. Steven M. Greer

Dec 5, 2002
2h 48m
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Dr. Steven M. Greer of the Disclosure Project joins Art Bell to discuss extraterrestrial intelligence, visitor intentions, alleged military abductions, and suppressed zero-point energy after an opening hour of physical-contact alien encounter calls. Art opens all phone lines exclusively for callers who claim actual physical contact with alien beings, seeking to answer one question: are the visitors friend or foe? Callers describe encounters ranging from a Pleiadian who spent two weeks reading encyclopedias without eating or drinking to terrifying bedroom visitations involving paralysis and telepathic communication. A woman named Paulette shares a detailed account of being taken to a facility by Bob Lazar in the late 1970s where she claims to have entered spacecraft and seen alien bodies.

Greer argues firmly that extraterrestrial visitors are not hostile. He contends that much of what passes for alien abduction actually involves clandestine military operations using man-made alien reproduction vehicles, programmable life forms, and psychotronic weapon systems. Greer warns that fear of extraterrestrials is being deliberately cultivated to justify a multi-trillion-dollar space weapons program, citing warnings from Werner von Braun.

Greer also discusses his work to bring suppressed zero-point energy technologies to the public through his organization, announcing plans to test several devices within months. He maintains that civilizations capable of interstellar travel must have evolved beyond aggression, and that humanity's real challenge is escaping the grip of secrecy surrounding these issues.

Key Moments

  1. UFOs as psychological warfare: Greer cites declassified documents and the Wilbert Smith memo to argue UFO disinformation has been used since the 1950s, classified higher than the H-bomb, to mislead the public.

  2. Cosmic mirror: humans as the threat: Greer reframes the friend-or-foe debate: any civilization observing a hundred years of nuclear weapons and modern warfare would view us as the dangerous party, not them.

  3. Art pushes back on Greer's promises: Art bluntly tells Greer he's grown skeptical after years of imminent-breakthrough claims; Greer responds that disclosure-project witnesses with TS/SCI clearances have faced no reprisals.

  4. MUFON-investigated abductee: 'they lie a lot': A caller whose 1970s encounter was documented by MUFON tells Art his hard-earned conclusion is that whatever these beings are, they lie constantly and have a hidden agenda.

  5. Phoenix Lights craft in a hardened shelter: An anonymous caller, a former airman, says he was on duty the night a craft from the 1997 Phoenix Lights event was secured in a lead-shielded hardened aircraft shelter, and is risking his freedom to share it.