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From the High Desert

A Cultural History of Art Bell

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December 27, 2002: Amityville Horror Case - George Lutz

Dec 27, 2002
2h 48m
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George Lutz, whose family lived the real Amityville Horror, joins Art Bell to tell the Amityville case story after a first-hour conversation with Richard C. Hoagland about solar-system warming, ancient Babylon, and the Iraq war. Hoagland notes that Baghdad sits on Sumerian ruins and that Saddam Hussein considers himself the reincarnation of Nebuchadnezzar, suggesting ritual motivations behind U.S. foreign policy.

Lutz, the man whose family lived the real Amityville Horror, joins for an interview Art had sought for his entire career. Lutz describes purchasing the Dutch Colonial home at 112 Ocean Avenue for $80,000, knowing about the DeFeo murders but believing his family could handle it. He details Father Ray Pecoraro's house blessing and the priest's discomfort in the upstairs bedroom where the boys had been killed.

Psychic investigator Mary Pascarella calls in to describe her encounters with pure evil inside the home. Lutz confirms experiencing his wife levitating from the bed, Kathy transforming into an elderly woman, mysterious gelatin trails between rooms, persistent flies, black drips from old keyholes, and phantom footsteps. He reveals using humor as a defense against dark intrusive thoughts, confirming that the house attempted to influence him toward violence just as it had Ronald DeFeo.

Key Moments

  1. Psychic sees a face in the back window: Investigator Mary, brought in cold by Ed Warren with no information about the house, walks the back yard saying prayers and looks up to see the face of a young girl staring back at her from the upstairs sewing room window.

  2. Our Father said backwards outside the door: While investigating the Amityville house, Mary lies down in Missy's bedroom praying the Our Father and looks up to see a group of figures sitting outside the door reciting the Lord's Prayer in reverse.

  3. Black drips from the keyholes: George Lutz says the famous oozing walls were exaggerated, but the truth was nearly as strange: black, epoxy-like drips grew longer and longer out of the old-style keyholes on the second and third floor doors the longer the family stayed.

  4. Did George ever feel urged to harm his family: Asked whether his mind was ever drawn toward doing evil to his own family in the way Ronnie DeFeo had, Lutz says it is a question he has never publicly answered, and credits humor and the rosary as defenses he had to learn.

  5. Kathy levitates and Lutz passes a polygraph: Recounting the last night in the house, George says Kathy levitated and he had to grab her to stop her sliding off the bed, and three years later they each passed a top-tier polygraph by Chris Gugus on the questions did you levitate and did Kathy turn into an old woman.