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From the High Desert

A Cultural History of Art Bell

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April 4, 2001: Fuzzy Science - Bart Kosko

Apr 4, 2001
2h 48m
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Art Bell interviews Professor Bart Kosko, an electrical engineering professor at USC and author of "Heaven in a Chip," about fuzzy logic, digital immortality, and the future of computing. Kosko explains how fuzzy logic enables computers to reason in shades of gray rather than strict binary, a technology already embedded in automobile transmissions, camcorders, and industrial control systems worldwide.

The discussion explores the possibility of backing up an entire human brain onto a chip the size of a sugar cube, achieving a form of digital immortality. Kosko, who wears a cryonics bracelet and holds a cryo-suspension contract with the Alcor Foundation, discusses neural networks, biological computing, and how intelligent signal processing could reshape society, from tax policy to genetic design of children.

The first hour features a major chemtrails investigation. Reporter Tiffany Brent and researcher Will Thomas present taped interviews with an anonymous air traffic control manager who confirms that unusual aerial operations involved military tanker aircraft and were described to him as weather modification exercises. The source reports being ordered to reroute civilian air traffic during these operations.

Key Moments

  1. Fuzzy logic, explained on the air: Kosko gives Bell a clean primer on fuzzy logic - that the math is still binary but it captures partial truth between zero and one - and points out it is already shipping in everything from Saturn and VW transmissions to German nuclear plant control systems, just rebranded because 'fuzzy' is still pejorative in the U.S.

  2. Neural chip implanted in a blind person's visual cortex: Kosko reports that scientists had, the prior year, implanted a neural-type chip into the visual cortex of a blind person - producing a grid of ones and zeros they could perceive - as the leading edge of grafting silicon to flesh.

  3. A computer the size of a sugar cube equals your brain by 2020: Kosko predicts that under Moore's Law, sometime around 2015 to 2020 a computer chip the size of a sugar cube will match the raw processing power of the human brain, and forever after will outstrip it.

  4. Self is a sustained illusion - and we can keep the illusion going on a chip: Asked whether an uploaded Art Bell would still feel and remember as Art Bell, Kosko answers yes, citing the mathematical fact that neural and fuzzy systems are 'universal approximators,' but adds that the deeper answer is that the self is already a delicately sustained illusion - one a chip can sustain just as well.

  5. Kosko would freeze himself - 'You are your synapses': Asked whether he himself would be cryonically suspended if facing terminal illness, Kosko says yes, like a shot, because at minus 320 Fahrenheit time effectively stops, calling it 'forward-only time travel,' and warning that the U.S. government and funeral industry conspire to ensure an autopsy that destroys the brain.