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April 5, 2001: The Shadow People, OBEs - Dr. Albert Taylor

Apr 5, 2001
2h 40m
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Art Bell welcomes Albert Taylor, aerospace engineer turned consciousness researcher, to discuss out-of-body experiences and their possible connection to the shadow people phenomenon. Taylor, who worked on the Lockheed U-2, SR-71, the F-117 stealth fighter design team, and the B-1 bomber program, describes how childhood sleep paralysis episodes eventually led him to explore OBEs through a scientific lens.

Taylor explains that shadow people sightings likely involve three categories of beings: the living who are having OBEs, the deceased who exist in a non-physical state, and entities existing between lives. He describes how the physical senses operate on a vibratory level that makes these figures visible primarily in peripheral vision, where sensory focus is relaxed. As a person nears death, their physical senses diminish and perception of these shadow figures becomes clearer and more detailed.

Taylor shares personal accounts including his uncle seeing a smiling figure in a hospital room days before dying, and a friend's near-death experience where non-physical beings surrounded him and offered passage. Art recounts his own spontaneous OBE above Paris, describing an indescribable ecstasy before snapping back into his body.

Key Moments

  1. Bell: 4,000 Shadow People emails sitting in his inbox: Bell tells the audience he has more than 4,000 emails from listeners who claim to have seen Shadow People, kept in a special folder, and admits he no longer knows what to do with the topic - which is why he is bringing on Dr. Albert Taylor to try to make sense of it.

  2. Shadow People as warnings, not strangers: A caller who says he was abducted as a child tells Bell that Shadow People are not random - they are real spirits the senses manifest specifically to alert you that something in your environment requires your attention.

  3. Why Shadow People only show in peripheral vision: Taylor explains that low-level Shadow People appear as dark, transparent humanoid shapes seen out of the corner of the eye, vanishing once you focus, because they are independent of our time frame and move in and out of perception faster than direct sight can track.

  4. Taylor's dying uncle sees a smiling figure in the corner: Taylor recounts sitting bedside with his dying uncle, who looked over his shoulder and asked who was standing in the corner of the room smiling at him - even though no one physical was there - just before he died.

  5. Friend's NDE: 'I didn't know I was that important': Taylor describes his best friend's near-death experience in a hospital, where he met non-physical beings waiting for him and afterwards kept repeating, 'I didn't know I was that important' - that there were people on the other side who knew him and cared he was there.