Stephan Schwartz, a leading authority on remote viewing and extraordinary human functioning, joins to discuss a fundamental shift in how science views consciousness. He explains non-locality, the principle that particles once in contact remain connected regardless of distance, and its implications for remote viewing. Art and Schwartz explore the Grinberg-Zylberbaum experiment, submarine-based remote viewing tests, and Helmut Schmidt's retro-psychokinesis studies involving radioactive decay.
The conversation turns to the nature of intent and its role in mass consciousness. Schwartz argues that America, as an idea-based nation, faces a new kind of enemy in terrorism, one powered by extreme collective will. He advocates confronting fear not with force alone but by demonstrating the integrity of democratic values and life-affirming social change.
Key Moments
Non-locality and EPR explained: Schwartz explains quantum non-locality through the Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen paper, describing how two particles that have shared a period can behave identically across great distances under experimental conditions.
Faraday cage telepathy experiment: Schwartz describes pairing meditators in separate Faraday cages, monitoring brainwaves, and finding correlated patterns despite total electromagnetic shielding, leading Art to call it 'completely impossible.'
Submarine remote viewing and Project Sanguine: Schwartz recounts his Navy-era experiment placing remote viewers in a submerged submarine where he says ELF radio penetration limits ruled out electromagnetic explanations, citing Project Sanguine's $125 billion research base.
Cosmic internet metaphor: Schwartz proposes that consciousness operates as if humans are workstations on a cosmic internet that has no time, space, or dimension - only a state of being.
Placebo studies and consciousness controlling biology: Schwartz cites placebo meta-studies showing roughly 35% of patients on placebo do as well or better than those on actual medication, including sham-surgery cases, as evidence consciousness controls bodily function down to the cellular level.