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From the High Desert

A Cultural History of Art Bell

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October 7, 2006: The Spirit World - Jeffrey Wands

Oct 7, 2006
2h 38m
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Art Bell welcomes psychic Jeffrey Wands to discuss his concept of the soul map, the idea that every person arrives with a predetermined plan for growth and purpose. Wands draws on experiences seeing spirits since age six, when he told his mother that her deceased grandmother was in the room. He explains that success and tragedy walk hand in hand as part of this spiritual blueprint, a theme Art relates to given his own extraordinary highs and devastating losses.

The program marks a major personal announcement as Art reveals his wife Airyn is pregnant, with the baby expected around his birthday in June 2007. Callers offer congratulations, and one psychically predicts the child will be a girl. Art shares details about life in Manila, including recovery from a devastating typhoon and Filipino cultural curiosities like the notorious duck egg delicacy balut.

Wands describes his work with police on missing children cases, his out-of-body experience in Raymond Moody psychomanteum, and his belief that animals possess souls. He addresses reincarnation, explaining that unresolved issues carry forward across lifetimes until conquered, and that the soul operates within a university-like system of spiritual evolution where graduation into higher consciousness remains the ultimate goal.

Key Moments

  1. Reincarnation as a full-time university: Wands argues you don't carry conquered problems forward, only unresolved ones, and that the soul can eventually graduate. He calls existence 'a full-time university,' but says he doesn't know anyone on this plane who has reached the exit.

  2. Six-year-old Wands tells off his mother for her grandmother: Wands describes the moment his abilities started: as a six-year-old being scolded, he saw his mother's deceased grandmother in the room and repeated, in front of his mother, the things she'd done at his age that had gone unpunished. His mother fell silent and punished him anyway.

  3. When the psychic is the suspect: Art asks if working with police makes a psychic look complicit. Wands tells the arson case where the family member who hired him to consult turned out to be the arsonist, and he ended up handing the detective the method by which the fire was set.

  4. Art's life review on the air: Art turns the conversation onto himself: 61 years old, he describes a life of immense success interleaved with massive tragedy, to the point that he and Ramona learned to wait for the other shoe to drop whenever things got too good. Wands replies that the highs and lows are linked through the soul map.

  5. What the other side actually looks like: Pressed by Art for a description of the afterlife, Wands answers from a personal experience inside Raymond Moody's psychomanteum: a tunnel, faces of departed clients and relatives, a bright light he was told he'd gone too far toward. The other side, he says, is a parallel-universe field of consciousness, not Bloomingdale's.