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From the High Desert

A Cultural History of Art Bell

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November 14, 2004: Terrorism, Iraq, & 9-11 - Joel Skousen

Nov 14, 2004
2h 52m
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Art Bell opens with updates on the Battle of Fallujah, Arafat's mysterious death, Iran's pledge to suspend uranium enrichment, and climate change reports showing dramatic Arctic ice loss and Antarctic krill population collapse. Callers debate whether the United States is engaged in a religious war with Islam, with a Lutheran pastor arguing that American foreign policy and colonialism bear significant responsibility for rising anti-Western sentiment.

Political scientist Joel Skousen joins to challenge mainstream narratives about terrorism and national security. He argues that the former CIA officer's 60 Minutes appearance was a permitted leak, noting that no one leaves such a position without agency approval. Skousen questions al-Qaeda's capabilities, pointing out the absence of any terrorist attacks on American soil since 9-11 despite open borders as evidence the threat is exaggerated for political purposes.

Skousen presents his most controversial claims about 9-11, citing pools of molten metal found beneath the World Trade Center that he says could not result from jet fuel fires. He discusses weapons transfers from Iraq to Syria with Russian involvement, alleges that Flight 93 was shot down rather than crashed by passengers, and theorizes that elements within the U.S. government use managed crises to advance global governance.

Key Moments

  1. Saddam's WMD Allegedly Shipped to Iran and Syria: A Gulf War veteran caller cites a declassified DoD document on the GulfLink website describing the transfer of Iraqi NBC materials to Iran during Desert Storm; Skousen extends the claim to the 2003 war and Syria.

  2. Thermite Charges and the Towers Going Dark: A New Jersey caller reports both World Trade Center towers were unusually blacked out the night of September 10, 2001; Skousen says the towers had been closed for 'special maintenance' and that thermite charges were planted then.

  3. Was the 2004 Election Stolen in Five Swing States?: Skousen argues the exit polls matched results within 1% nationwide except in five swing states where they diverged 3-5% in Bush's favor and never in Kerry's, and ties this to Diebold software irregularities.

  4. The Pentagon Hole Problem: A retired airline captain who flew 757s and 767s argues the 16-to-20-foot Pentagon entry hole is incompatible with a Boeing airliner; Skousen agrees and suggests a missile strike instead.

  5. Art Confronts Skousen: Government Murdered Its Own People: Art sharpens Skousen's argument: if the U.S. government knew and did nothing, that is being an accomplice to murder. Skousen accepts the framing as where the evidence points.