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From the High Desert

A Cultural History of Art Bell

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May 8, 1994: Do Angels Exist? - John Ronner

May 8, 1994
1h 42m
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John Ronner, journalist and author of Do You Have a Guardian Angel? and The Angels of Cokeville, joins Art Bell on Dreamland to explore the surging cultural fascination with angels, backed by a 1993 Time magazine poll showing 69 percent of Americans believe in their existence.

Ronner draws a strict distinction between angels as superior non-human spiritual beings and departed loved ones who serve as guardian spirits. He examines evidence ranging from near-death experiences and battlefield apparitions to dramatic interventions like the 1986 Cokeville, Wyoming hostage crisis, where children reported seeing angelic figures before a bomb detonated with remarkably few casualties. Ronner connects angel encounters to broader questions about consciousness, citing quantum physics and the anthropic principle as scientific developments undermining strict materialism. Art Bell raises the difficult question of why angels intervene for some but not others, and Ronner candidly admits no fully satisfactory answer exists. Callers share accounts of mysterious strangers, balls of light, and life-saving premonitions.

A thoughtful examination of angelic phenomena that bridges personal testimony, scientific inquiry, and enduring spiritual questions about what lies beyond the physical world.

Key Moments

  1. Time magazine 1993 angel poll - 69% believe: Ronner cites the December 1993 Time magazine cover-story poll: 69 percent of Americans believe angels exist, 46 percent believe they have a personal spiritual guardian, and just over 30 percent believe they have had interactions with that guardian.

  2. Strict definition of an angel - not a dead human: Ronner gives the medieval philosophical definition: an angel is a non-human superior spiritual being, distinct from departed loved ones, and walks through the catalog of reported encounter types - luminous beings, voices from thin air, overpowering hunches, physical intervention, celestial music, angels disguised as mortals.

  3. Sabom's NDE control study: Ronner walks through Atlanta cardiologist Michael Sabom's near-death-experience study comparing two groups - patients who reported being out of body during clinical death versus those with no recollection - which found the experimental group could accurately describe their resuscitations while the control group fumbled, undercutting the 'good guesser' debunking.

  4. 60 Minutes brain-aneurysm flatline case: Bell recounts a 60 Minutes case where a woman with an inoperable brain aneurysm had her body temperature lowered, blood drained, and brain waves flat for nearly an hour while surgeons excised the aneurysm; she revived as warmed blood returned without electric shock. Bell asks Ronner the philosophical question: where did she go?