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From the High Desert

A Cultural History of Art Bell

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May 3, 1996: Ham Radio, Cold Fusion, & Other Topics - Wayne Green

May 3, 1996
2h 33m
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Wayne Green, the iconoclastic editor and publisher of 73 Magazine, returns for a wide-ranging conversation with Art Bell covering amateur radio, cold fusion energy, electronic health devices, and his famous list of books that challenge conventional thinking. Green, who helped pioneer repeater technology that became cellular phones and launched Byte magazine at the dawn of personal computing, has a long history of being called crazy before being proven right.

Green makes his boldest claims around cold fusion, describing Dr. Patterson's cell that demonstrated 1,000 times more power output than input at a Los Angeles conference. He walks listeners through a simple kitchen-table experiment using nickels in sodium carbonate solution that allegedly produces excess heat through nuclear transmutation. He reveals that Toyota has funded a lavish laboratory for Drs. Pons and Fleischmann on the French Riviera, where results have gone silent, suggesting commercial applications may be imminent. Green also discusses Bob Beck's bioelectrifier device, which uses small electrical currents through the blood to neutralize viruses and bacteria.

The episode takes a surprising turn when Green discusses a book claiming NASA never went to the moon, citing anomalies in lunar photographs, radiation exposure problems, and footprint impossibilities in dry, airless conditions. Whether promoting cold fusion, electronic healing, or moon landing skepticism, Green embodies the restless contrarian spirit that has defined his decades-long publishing career.

Key Moments

  1. Cold fusion replication labs 'fudged their figures': Green tells Bell that yes, cold fusion absolutely works, and the reason 1989's Pons and Fleischmann results appeared to fail replication was that some of the labs that couldn't duplicate it fudged their figures.

  2. First cold-fusion products within a year: Green forecasts that within one year listeners will see the first cold-fusion-powered products on the market, beginning with small heating units for buildings.

  3. Cold fusion on a kitchen table: Green walks Bell through a homebrew cold-fusion recipe a reader of his magazine reportedly tested: two nickels in a glass of sodium solution at about 30 volts, and after a couple of days the liquid heats up far beyond the input energy.

  4. Oil and electric companies in a panic: Green argues cold fusion has been suppressed because oil, coal, gas, and electric companies are in a panic over an energy source that costs about one-tenth of fossil fuels and has none of the bad side effects of nuclear power.