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Episode 0774 · Mar 15, 2001 · 2h 36m

March 15, 2001: Natural Magic - Dr. Evelyn Paglini

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    Stregheria older than EgyptPaglini distinguishes herself from Wiccans, identifying as a Genesean Italian witch (Strega) from a Tuscany lineage she says predates Etruscan, Roman, Greek and Egyptian traditions.

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    Justified retaliation creedPaglini contrasts the Wiccan 'harm none' creed with her own: if attacked, she feels justified retaliating with magical force, breaking with both Wiccan and Christian turn-the-other-cheek ethics.

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    Voodoo works on disbelieversPaglini rejects the popular notion that disbelief protects you from magic, asserting that voodoo and curses can affect targets thousands of miles away who neither know nor believe in the practice.

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    Karmic price for unjustified harmAsked if she could deliberately ruin an innocent person, Paglini says yes but warns of karmic payback either in this lifetime or across the soul's evolution, since 'soul and spirit are eternal.'

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    Secret societies and ritual mind controlAsked about school shootings and rising violence, Paglini blames secret societies, lodges and organizations performing ritualistic - and at times sacrificial - mind control on children and the populace through big government and big business.

Art Bell welcomes Dr. Evelyn Paglini, a practitioner of natural magic rooted in the ancient Italian Strega tradition. Initiated at age four by her grandfather, Paglini describes a lineage she claims stretches back tens of thousands of years, predating Egyptian and Greek civilizations. She distinguishes her practice from Wicca, noting that while Wiccans follow a creed to harm none, Strega practitioners believe in justified retaliation against those who attack them or their families.

The conversation covers psychic self-defense in detail, including cleansing rituals using black salt, sea salt, sulfur, and herbs like sage and rosemary. Paglini explains how practitioners can set up protective shields and mirror spells to reverse negative energy back to its sender. She discusses the use of familiars, particularly cats, as spiritual guardians and watchers prized for their heightened sensitivity.

Art and Paglini examine the darker aspects of organized ritual magic, including secret societies that use ceremonial practices to manipulate and control populations. They also address President Bush's controversial stance against recognizing Wicca as a legitimate religion and debate the growing influence of evil forces in modern society, from school shootings to institutional corruption.

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