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From the High Desert

A Cultural History of Art Bell

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June 3, 1999: NDEs - Dr. Jeffrey Long & Tricia McGill

Jun 3, 1999
2h 1m
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Art Bell welcomes back Dr. Jeffrey Long, a radiation oncologist, and Dr. Tricia McGill, a licensed clinical psychologist, to discuss near-death experiences and share a stunning update on their previous guest Sarah. The doctors reveal they were approached by a European group proposing to induce cardiac arrest in prisoners to study NDEs, an experiment they refused on ethical grounds. Art also asks Dr. Long about Terrence McKenna's grim brain tumor diagnosis.

The conversation takes a remarkable turn when Tricia reveals that past-life regression work on Sarah uncovered a connection to a Tibetan Buddhist monk who was beheaded during the Chinese invasion of Tibet. Despite Sarah having no knowledge of Tibetan Buddhism in her current life, her NDE closely mirrored descriptions found in the Tibetan Book of the Dead, raising profound questions about how prior lifetimes may shape the afterlife experience.

A second NDE experiencer named Karen then shares her account of a car accident she had foreseen in a premonition dream months earlier. Karen describes being told she was dead, receiving a life review, and being shown her own funeral and her son's future. Her deep grief over leaving her infant son ultimately led to her return, despite her guides insisting she was not meant to come back.

Key Moments

  1. Researchers pitched a flatliners-style NDE experiment on prisoners: Dr. Long and McGill describe being approached by a group claiming to have a way to induce a controlled NDE by stopping prisoners' hearts via electrical stimulation, then resuscitating them after several minutes of clinical death.

  2. Terence McKenna's brain tumor prognosis: Art asks Dr. Long about Terence McKenna's newly diagnosed glioblastoma after the gamma knife procedure removed about 90% of the tumor. Long explains the survival rate of this aggressive brain cancer is less than 1%.

  3. Sarah's NDE traced to a past life as a beheaded Tibetan monk: McGill recounts that Sarah, a lifelong Baptist with no exposure to Buddhism, had an NDE matching the Tibetan Book of the Dead. Independent hypnotherapy uncovered a past life as a Tibetan Buddhist monk beheaded during the Chinese invasion.

  4. Karen's premonition dream foretold her own fatal car accident: Karen describes a vivid dream months before her crash showing the exact utility truck that would later run a red light and T-bone her car, slamming her head into its headlight and triggering her NDE.

  5. Karen learns Earth is the lowest realm in a tiered cosmos: Karen recounts being told by her three guides - including her deceased grandfather - that she had truly died, then describes the afterlife as a multi-level structure with Earth as the lowest level and a 'transition zone' through which all incarnating souls must pass.