June 22, 1997: Psychic Discoveries - Sheila Ostrander & Lynn Schroeder
The conversation covers Kirlian photography and its ability to capture energy leaving the body at death, Soviet experiments in telepathic hypnosis capable of putting subjects into trance from over a thousand miles away, and the KGB''s massive 500-million-ruble budget for psychic warfare devices. Ostrander and Schroeder also reveal cosmonaut UFO sightings suppressed for decades, including claims that Neil Armstrong reported mysterious objects during the Apollo 11 moon landing.
Art and his guests discuss Soviet remote influencing experiments, the potential for psychic assassination, the use of microwave beaming against the U.S. embassy, and how Russian parapsychology research inadvertently confirmed spiritual ideas about human consciousness and interconnection. Callers weigh in with questions about super learning techniques and electronic voice phenomena.
Key Moments
Voronezh 1989: Soviets report UFO landing in city center: Ostrander recounts the 1989 Voronezh case from declassified KGB files: seven UFOs landing nearly simultaneously, including one downtown, with UFOnauts walking around the city before flying off.
Phobos probe photographed a 15-mile-long UFO: Colonel Marina Popovich (wife of cosmonaut Victor Popovich) presented Soviet press with imagery showing the Phobos Mars-moon probe had photographed a 15-mile-long object.
Wolf Messing: telepathic infiltration of Stalin's dacha: Schroeder describes the documented test in which 20th-century Soviet psychic Wolf Messing reportedly entered Stalin's dacha by telepathically projecting 'I am Beria' onto the guards.
KGB Maj Gen Kalugin: 500 million ruble psychic-warfare program: After the Soviet collapse, KGB Major General Oleg Kalugin disclosed that Russian scientists developed psychic warfare devices on a 500 million ruble budget, aimed at building exotic weapons unknown to the West.
Microwave beams into the U.S. embassy in Moscow: Schroeder ties the Cold War microwave-beaming of the U.S. Moscow embassy to weaponized frequency research that could induce fear, insomnia, suicidal thoughts, or even cerebral thrombosis.