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From the High Desert

A Cultural History of Art Bell

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July 2, 1997: Roswell Crash - Jaime Shandera

Jul 2, 1997
3h 21m
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Art Bell welcomes investigative journalist Jaime Shandera, who has spent over a decade tracing the chain of evidence behind the 1947 Roswell incident. Shandera lays out a detailed timeline beginning with the July 2nd explosion heard over the New Mexico desert, rancher Mac Brazel's discovery of strange metallic debris, and the military recovery that followed. He reveals that General Clements McMullen in Washington directed the operation personally, bypassing normal chains of command.

Dr. J. Bond Johnson, the Fort Worth Star-Telegram reporter who photographed the debris in General Ramey's office, joins the broadcast. Johnson describes handling lightweight, stiff, dull-gray material that bore no resemblance to a weather balloon. He recalls that General Ramey himself appeared to be seeing the material for the first time and could not identify it. Johnson states firmly that a general of Ramey's stature would have resigned before posing with balloon wreckage.

The conversation exposes how General DuBose, when shown the photographs decades later, confirmed the material was from Roswell and was not a weather balloon. Shandera argues the recent Air Force press conference was designed not to quell public interest but to fan the flames as a deliberate test of public reaction.

Key Moments

  1. Air Force colonel's 'time compression' answer for the six-year gap: Shandera and Bell dissect Colonel Haynes's just-aired press conference. When pressed on the gap between the 1947 sightings and the 1953-1969 dummy-drop program, Haynes invoked 'time compression' - that witnesses simply forget dates. Shandera argues the briefing was choreographed from above to fan flames, not quell them.

  2. Mac Brazel's July 2 timeline begins: Shandera lays out the night-of-July-2-1947 timeline: an explosion in the sky during an electrical storm, witnessed by the Wilmots from their porch and heard by rancher Mac Brazel, who finds the debris field the next morning, hears about flying saucers in a Corona bar on the 4th, and hauls samples to the sheriff on the 6th.

  3. Gen. McMullen ordered silence from Washington: Shandera names retired Gen. McMullen - then acting director of Strategic Air Command - as the man directing the Roswell cover-up by phone from Washington, ordering Blanchard, DuBose, and Ramey individually never to speak of it again, even to wives or sons. DuBose obeyed for forty years.

  4. Bond Johnson: Ramey would have resigned rather than pose with a balloon: Star-Telegram photographer J. Bond Johnson, who shot the famous Fort Worth office photos in 1947, tells Bell on-air that Gen. Ramey was genuinely seeing and handling the debris for the first time - and would have resigned before allowing himself to be photographed with a weather balloon for a 'Mickey Mouse' cover story.