Art shares personal stories about his wife, including her successful water witching using coat hangers to locate an underground water source on undeveloped land, and her instinctive reaction to a cursed doll that arrived in the mail, which she immediately buried in salt. Dr. Paglini confirms these as natural abilities rooted in sensitivity and vibration. She discusses familiars, shape-shifting traditions among Native Americans, and the karmic consequences of misusing magical power, which she says returns tenfold.
The conversation takes a serious turn when Art, without revealing details, asks whether magic can be used to take a life in cases of justified retaliation. Dr. Paglini affirms this is possible when true justification exists, describing it as setting up a mirror that returns the harm to its sender.
Key Moments
Initiated at age four by her grandfather, a magus: Paglini explains her lineage: her grandfather was a magus - a society rank just below an asfissimus / Dalai Lama level - who held the seat for over 25 years and practiced the occult for more than 60. He trained her starting at age four, even though he had hoped she would be a boy.
Her grandfather: easy to be good when you don't have the tools: Paglini quotes the maxim her grandfather drilled into her: 'It's easy to be good when you don't have the tools to do otherwise.' Power and knowledge are tools - neutral until wielded - and karmically, an unjustified attack returns to the sender tenfold.
Cursed doll arrives in the mail; Bill's wife buries it in salt: Art recounts being mailed an old singed doll with a letter saying a curse on it had burned the sender's house down. His wife immediately took all the household salt, threw the doll into the dumpster, and buried it in salt. Paglini confirms: salt is the first line of defense, then sea salt, then sulfur, then black salt - barriers against negativity.
The San Antonio ghost children push the car off the tracks: Art describes the well-known San Antonio crossing where a school bus full of children was once killed by a train. Drivers who stop, put the car in neutral and sit still feel an unseen force push the car off the tracks; powder sprinkled on the trunk reveals children's handprints. Paglini answers that some souls do not cross over because of trauma at the moment of death and remain trapped, repeating a scenario.
Paglini turns away students who want power to subjugate others: Asked how she handles aspirants who openly say they want to learn the dark side, Paglini says, 'They are rejected.' She refuses to teach anyone who is not in balance, no matter how upfront they are about wanting to subjugate others.