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January 4, 2008: Avian Flu Pandemic - Dr. Gary Ridenour

Jan 4, 2008
2h 35m
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Art Bell welcomes Dr. Gary Ridenour for a sobering discussion about the threat of an avian flu pandemic. Dr. Ridenour explains that the H5N1 virus kills roughly 60 percent of those it infects and has shown signs of human-to-human transmission in at least two countries. He argues the pandemic is not a matter of if but when, citing the virus"s massive reservoir in global bird populations and its ability to mutate.

The conversation turns to how quickly the virus could spread. Dr. Ridenour describes how one infected traveler on multiple flights could contaminate tens of thousands within days. He warns that the United States would exhaust its supply of caskets in the first week and that antivirals like Tamiflu show growing resistance and dangerous side effects. Infrastructure consequences would include rolling blackouts, fuel shortages, and collapsed supply chains as workers fall ill or stay home.

Dr. Ridenour offers practical survival advice, recommending self-isolation for eight to ten days during an outbreak. He notes that England has designated buildings as temporary mortuaries and Hong Kong has converted stadiums into field hospitals. Art also announces the beginning of Solar Cycle 24, a new period of solar activity expected to peak around 2011.

Key Moments

  1. Ridenour's letter - 300 million to 1 billion dead in year one: Art reads the letter that put Ridenour on the show. The doctor writes that H5N1 is now in 90 countries, has mutated human-to-human in two, and that 300 million to 1 billion people will die in the first year. Infrastructure will 'wink on and off' for 12-18 months and 80% of US medications come from abroad and won't arrive.

  2. Cytokine storm - your own immune system dissolves your lungs: Ridenour explains the unique lethality of H5N1 via 'antigenic shift': the virus is so foreign to the immune system that the body launches a runaway cytokine storm, dissolving the patient's own lungs. Victims cough up their own lung tissue and can be dead in eight hours.

  3. CDC quietly admitted 20 years of flu vaccines didn't lower death rates over 55: Ridenour drops the lesser-known story: after 20 years of recommending flu vaccines for the elderly, the CDC came out with a finding that the shots had not actually reduced the death rate for people over 55, then backtracked the next year. He uses the example to argue mainstream flu data is not as solid as the public assumes.

  4. 1918 still had wood stoves - we have ATMs: Ridenour contrasts 1918 - when banking and mail were done by hand, people had wood-burning stoves and could kill a chicken - with 2008 America, where the infrastructure is electrified, just-in-time, and people don't even know how to cook, catch an animal, or stay warm. If the grid winks off, modern populations are 'completely lost.'

  5. 1918 stopped World War I: Ridenour drives home the historical scale: 1918 flu survivors saw their lifespans reduced by almost 15 years from organ damage. He cites his own uncle's lifelong asthma-like symptoms after surviving avian flu. And in less than a year, the 1918 flu ended World War I.