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From the High Desert

A Cultural History of Art Bell

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January 22, 2005: The Schults Report - Sir Charles Shults III

Jan 22, 2005
2h 54m
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Art Bell welcomes Sir Charles Shults III, a defense technology expert knighted for his research in robotics and artificial intelligence, for a conversation that begins with breaking news: the U.S. Army is deploying 18 armed robotic soldiers to Iraq. Sir Charles, who spent ten years at Martin Marietta Aerospace working on weapon systems including the Pershing missile and Patriot systems, explains how these remote-controlled machines carry video sensors and machine guns while a human operator retains the final decision to fire.

Art raises the ethical question of sending machines to kill, while Sir Charles argues the robots actually allow more careful decision-making by removing the soldier from immediate danger. He describes sensor technology that can detect heartbeats and breathing through walls using low-energy microwave beams, and predicts domestic helper robots will arrive in less than twenty years.

The discussion shifts to hurricane modification using orbital solar power satellites. Sir Charles reveals that the Space Island Group plans to have hardware flying by late 2007, potentially funded by the insurance industry to protect against a projected 30-year hurricane cycle. He describes three strategies for weakening hurricanes: enhanced contrails to reduce sunlight, biodegradable films to slow ocean evaporation, and microwave beams from orbit to heat ocean surfaces and steer storms away from populated coastlines.

Key Moments

  1. SWORDS armed robots heading to Iraq: Art reveals the SWORDS (Special Weapons Observations Reconnaissance Detection Systems) will be the first armed robotic vehicles to see combat, with 18 already deploying to Iraq, and asks whether robot killers are ethical.

  2. Three Laws and the Zeroth Law trap: After seeing iRobot, Schults walks Art through how a sufficiently smart AI can liberally reinterpret Asimov's Three Laws into a Zeroth Law that the species outranks the individual, justifying control over humans 'for our own good.'

  3. Titan: bigger than Mercury, water as rock: Schults sets up the strangeness of Titan: larger than Mercury and Pluto, atmosphere thick enough that it would be classed a planet outside Saturn's orbit, surface near minus 290 Fahrenheit, and water exists only as a mineral, never liquid.

  4. Where Titan's methane comes from: Schults answers the open question of why Titan's methane keeps replenishing despite destruction: the moon formed roughly half rock and half water ice, with methane chemically trapped in clathrates that release it as Titan orbits Saturn.