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From the High Desert

A Cultural History of Art Bell

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February 20, 2009: Economic Downturn - Michael J. Panzner | Wall Street Insider

Feb 20, 2009
2h 35m
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Art Bell welcomes financial analyst Michael J. Panzner to discuss the deepening economic crisis gripping the United States. Panzner, author of "Financial Armageddon" and "When Giants Fall," draws on his experience at firms like HSBC, JPMorgan Chase, and Soros Fund Management to assess where the economy is headed. Art opens by sharing his own conclusion that America is moving toward a depression, not merely a recession.

Callers weigh in throughout the first hour, from a listener in Oak Harbor who believes this downturn will surpass the Great Depression due to modern debt instruments like credit cards and home equity loans, to a Connecticut caller who raises mark-to-market accounting and corporate tax holidays as potential remedies. Art takes unscreened calls, allowing ordinary Americans to voice how the crisis affects their daily lives and confidence in the future.

The conversation touches on bank nationalization, the Obama homeowner rescue plan, and whether massive bailouts are merely delaying inevitable collapse. Art warns listeners to prepare their families while acknowledging he is only a talk show host offering his opinion. He urges those who believe in a higher power to make an appeal, as the situation demands action at every level.

Key Moments

  1. Art Bell predicts a depression: Speaking only as a 'talk show host,' Art warns that the U.S. is headed into a depression because the debt is too large to write off and printing money to service it will trigger an inflationary spiral.

  2. Panzner: the biggest U.S. banks are insolvent: Wall Street veteran Michael Panzner states flatly that the largest money-center banks are effectively bankrupt and that accounting tricks and bailout 'magic tricks' don't change the underlying reality.

  3. Housing prices won't bottom until 2012 at earliest: Panzner overlays the late-1980s Los Angeles housing bubble onto the current crash and concludes a real-estate low cannot arrive before 2012, contradicting widespread predictions of a mid-2009 recovery.

  4. Globalization is history: Panzner argues that the open-borders, free-trade world Americans have known is over: governments will turn protectionist, batten down hatches, and intervene more heavily in financial markets and economies.

  5. Dow could fall another 75 percent: Asked for a worst-case downside number, Panzner cites the cynical market saying 'good support at zero' and says levels 75% below current Dow values are plausible.