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From the High Desert

A Cultural History of Art Bell

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February 20, 2001: Electronic Voice Phenomena - Brendan Cook & Barbara McBeath

Feb 20, 2001
2h 6m
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Art Bell welcomes Brendan Cook and Barbara McBeath of the Ghost Investigators Society to explore electronic voice phenomena, or EVP. The team uses brand-new microcassette tapes and external microphones to record anomalous voices at cemeteries, abandoned hospitals, historic hotels, and other locations with reported paranormal activity. They estimate voices appear on roughly 50 percent of their recordings.

Over 30 audio clips are played throughout the broadcast, capturing a striking range of personalities and emotions. A child's voice says "it's dark in here" at a former military barracks. A menacing voice at an abandoned military hospital growls "you little murdering tramps." At a cemetery, a spirit provides directions saying "Roger, back near the car" and another identifies himself clearly as "I'm Lewis." One recording captures a German-language voice at an old theater, while another says "near Mark Wood" at a gravesite Barbara has never been able to locate.

Barbara shares her theory that ghosts retain fragments of their living personality but gradually lose definition over time. She distinguishes ghosts from entities contacted through seances or Ouija boards, which she believes are non-human spirit beings that were never alive. The guests stress that their research is unfunded and they sell nothing, driven purely by a desire to document and understand what persists after death.

Key Moments

  1. Are ghosts conscious or just an echo?: Barbara McBeath frames her core thesis - ghosts are personality fragments who often don't realize they're dead - and Art presses her on whether some hauntings are residual loops recorded in the atmosphere, including ghosts of still-living people.

  2. Ouija boards reach a different kind of entity: Barbara distinguishes ghosts from Ouija-board contacts, arguing the latter are natural spirit beings that have never had a body and won't necessarily leave when the seance is over.

  3. EVP capture: 'We're all down here': From an investigation in a historic Utah hotel basement, Brendan plays a clear EVP voice answering Art's announced break with 'we're all down here' - one of the night's most quoted clips.

  4. Hostile EVP at abandoned military hospital: From an abandoned Utah military mental hospital scrawled with 'die by the master Satan' graffiti, Brendan plays an angry voice hissing 'you little murdering tramps' captured while a colleague was looking for Barbara.

  5. Cemetery EVP: 'Go to your own place': Driving into a cemetery a different way than usual, Brendan captures a voice saying 'go to your own place' - which he reads as the ghosts directing them back to the spot they normally use, evidence the entities recognize them and ride along in the car.