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From the High Desert

A Cultural History of Art Bell

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February 14, 2004: Out of Body Experiences - William Buhlman

Feb 14, 2004
2h 52m
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Author and researcher William Buhlman joins Art Bell to discuss out-of-body experiences, OBE survey findings, sleep paralysis, and consciousness after an impromptu vampire interview. Art opens with a self-proclaimed vampire named Morgan from Kentucky, who describes his coven of over 50 members, his casket sleeping habits, and plans to be buried alive for three days. Morgan claims thousands of vampires live in major American cities and explains the rituals of blood drinking from willing donors screened for disease.

Drawing on a survey of over 16,000 participants from 32 countries, Buhlman describes the common precursors to OBEs, including sleep paralysis, buzzing sounds, and floating sensations. He explains that fear is the primary barrier preventing people from completing the transition out of their physical body, and that once the experience begins, most people find it profoundly enjoyable.

Art shares his own spontaneous OBE over the city of Paris and questions Buhlman about the nature of consciousness after death. Buhlman asserts that the universe is a multidimensional continuum, that the dead continue to exist at different vibrational frequencies all around us, and that ghosts are simply energy bodies that have temporarily slowed their vibration enough to be perceived. He encourages listeners to explore self-initiated OBEs rather than relying on belief alone.

Key Moments

  1. Art interviews 'Morgan' the vampire: An unscreened first-hour guest emails Art and goes on the air claiming to be a real, casket-sleeping vampire who runs a Kentucky coven of more than fifty members and was 'born with the bloodlust' as a small child.

  2. Vampire plans live burial experiment: Morgan tells Art he plans to be buried five feet underground in his casket for three days and three nights with only an oxygen tube, hoping to develop levitation and human invisibility.

  3. Art's OBE over Paris: Art recounts his own out-of-body experience in a Paris hotel, describing being suddenly suspended over the city in an instant, ecstatic, all-comprehending state before snapping back into his body.

  4. Buhlman: a past life as a German tank commander: Buhlman says one of the first things he learned through OBEs was that he had lived a past life as a German officer who died on the Russian front in World War II, presented as direct knowing rather than theory.

  5. Ghosts as people 'vibrating just out of sync': Buhlman reframes ghosts and the dead as ordinary energy bodies on the lower astral plane whose vibration rates briefly slow down enough to be perceived, arguing the astral plane is co-located with the physical world.