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From the High Desert

A Cultural History of Art Bell

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December 28, 1999: Life After Death - Gary Schwartz

Dec 28, 1999
2h 40m
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Art Bell welcomes Dr. Gary Schwartz, professor of psychology, medicine, neurology, and psychiatry at the University of Arizona, to discuss scientific research into life after death. Schwartz explains his systemic memory hypothesis, which proposes that all systems in the universe store information through feedback loops, much like audio feedback from a speaker or the infinite regression seen when pointing a video camera at its own monitor. He describes how this replicable phenomenon led him to predict that consciousness could survive physical death.

Schwartz recounts how his co-researcher Linda Russek inspired him to apply the theory to mediumship experiments after the passing of her father, a distinguished cardiologist. Early studies recorded high-frequency sound anomalies during attempted communication sessions, while a later clock experiment with Linda's mother produced statistically significant results suggesting an unseen intelligence was influencing the device on command.

The conversation turns to a picture-matching experiment using two mediums who did not know each other. Medium two, working in a trance state, attempted to receive images from four deceased individuals and achieved a 100 percent accuracy rate when researchers used the information she provided. Art also reveals a Sprint outage report found on a government website listing Area 51 among the affected locations, a discovery that dominates the first hour of the broadcast.

Key Moments

  1. Universal living memory hypothesis: Schwartz lays out his Yale-era theory that all systems, from atoms to galaxies, store information and energy and have a kind of memory and immortality.

  2. Fish-pump bird sound during grandmother session: While Linda viewed her deceased bird-loving grandmother's photo, an aquarium pump began screeching like a bird in a tank running quietly for years, an anomaly Schwartz reports as an early eerie data point.

  3. Elaine Rusek's two-clock experiment: Schwartz describes a published ABAB experiment where Linda's mother asked her deceased husband to speed up or slow down a broken digital clock on alternating nights, yielding a statistically significant ninety-minute difference.

  4. Medium-to-medium picture transfer experiment: Schwartz outlines a controlled study where one medium drew pictures supposedly suggested by four deceased people, then a second blinded medium attempted to receive those same images on video, with experimenters guessing too as controls.