November 10, 1996: Cattle Mutilations - Linda Moulton Howe | The Art of Conscious Dying - Bruce Goldberg
Goldberg outlines a multi-layered cosmology of astral planes, causal planes, and Akashic records, arguing that near-death experiences represent unconscious dying while his technique offers a controlled alternative. He presents the case of Edna, a cancer patient who practiced conscious dying in 1979 and apparently reincarnated nine years later as a seven-year-old girl named Paula, who referenced the same spirit guide by name. Art challenges Goldberg on the existence of hell, demonic entities, and whether these experiences are merely internal brain processes.
The conversation turns provocative when Goldberg bets Art $1,000 that no earthquake greater than 7.0 will strike California before 2012, and declares there will be no Armageddon or nuclear wars. Callers share their own out-of-body experiences, including sleep paralysis encounters and spontaneous astral travel to military installations, while Art probes the boundaries between spiritual growth and self-delusion.
Key Moments
33,000 regressions on 11,000 patients: Goldberg grounds his conscious-dying claims in his clinical workload: 33,000 hypnotic regressions on 11,000 different patients since 1974, with information about the soul plane and Akashic records sourced from those 'superconscious' sessions.
Edna and Paula: a documented conscious rebirth: Goldberg recounts Edna, a cancer patient he treated in 1979 whose spirit guide was 'Shamani,' and seven-year-old Paula in 1988 who spontaneously knew the same guide's name and described having cancer and an absent family - his clearest case study for conscious dying and rebirth.
The $1,000 Southern California earthquake bet: Goldberg flatly predicts no earthquake larger than Northridge (>7.0) anywhere in Southern California through 2050 and no Armageddon, nuclear war, or economic collapse. Art Bell pins him to 2012 and they bet $1,000 live on the air.
Crib death as a 'poor karmic choice': Goldberg describes a mother contacting the soul of her three-day-old infant who died of SIDS; the baby allegedly communicated telepathically that it was 'a poor karmic choice' and apologized for the bereavement before returning to the soul plane to reincarnate.