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May 27, 2007: UFO Cover Ups - Robert Collins

May 27, 2007
2h 36m
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Art Bell interviews first-time guest Robert Collins, a career Air Force veteran who spent 22 years in avionics, communications, engineering, physics, and intelligence at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base's Foreign Technology Division. Collins describes how a casual conversation in a classified vault in 1985 led him to retired lieutenant colonel Ernie Kellerstrauss, who shared extraordinary stories about UFO encounters and recovered materials.

Collins recounts the 1959 Misawa, Japan incident in which an F-106 pilot fired a full salvo of missiles at a hovering disc-shaped UFO with no effect. According to the account, a tractor beam then emerged from the craft and pulled the aircraft toward it while ground controllers listened to the pilot's screams. He also discusses classified compounds on Sandia Base used for testing on recovered non-human biological materials, with body parts allegedly on loan from Wright-Patterson.

The discussion expands to cover underground tunnel systems connecting military installations, including Area 51, Los Alamos, and Dulce. Collins explains how he spent years verifying these accounts through multiple sources within the intelligence community, ultimately concluding that the government UFO cover-up spanning over 60 years is real. The first hour features open lines with callers discussing current events.

Key Moments

  1. F-106 Tractor-Beam Abduction Over Misawa: Collins recounts the story passed to him by retired Lt. Col. Ernie Kellerstrass: a specially modified F-106 with new air-to-air radar was sent up at Misawa, Japan in 1959 to intercept a hovering UFO. Pentagon authorized fire; the missiles detonated harmlessly, then a tractor beam pulled the screaming pilot's aircraft into the disc.

  2. Sandia Base: Radiation Tests on Alien Body Parts: Collins says Kellerstrass and a colleague Bob were inside a Sandia Base compound in 1964, across from Loveless, where animal testing was the cover. According to him, they witnessed chemical and radiation testing on alien body parts on loan from Wright-Patterson.

  3. Wright-Patt Vaults: Knock Down the Walls: Collins claims he and his network have official Wright-Patt drawings showing tunnels, vaults, elevators, stairwells and surveillance camera positions that have been concreted over. He says Congress could prove the underground vaults exist with a few days of demolition.

  4. TA-49, the Dulce Complex, and the EBE-2 Interview: Collins maps the underground UFO infrastructure: Los Alamos TA-49, converted in 1954 from a nuclear storage area into what he calls the Dulce Complex. He describes a witness named Rick taken behind a vault-door elevator down five stories, signing an EBE-2 clearance, and watching a 4'3" alien enter in a tight jumpsuit while three civilians and a colonel waited at the table.