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A Cultural History of Art Bell

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June 11, 2002: The Zetas - Nancy Lieder

Jun 11, 2002
2h 41m
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Nancy Lieder of ZetaTalk joins Art Bell to discuss the Zetas, Zeta Reticuli contact claims, and Planet X after first-hour calls from Denver wildfire witnesses. Callers describe wildfires burning across 80,000 acres of Colorado, filling Denver with smoke and ash, and connect the unprecedented drought and lack of snowpack to broader climate changes that mainstream media largely ignores.

Lieder claims to be an enhanced contactee who communicates telepathically with beings from Zeta Reticuli. She describes her childhood encounters, the physical appearance and habits of the Zetas, and a genetic modification to her brain that enables telepathic communication. Lieder explains the Zetas' purpose on Earth as a form of galactic peace corps, detailing their role in a hybrid breeding program and a universal governance structure that prioritizes direct democratic participation over hierarchy.

The conversation turns to Planet X, which Lieder says will pass between Earth and the Sun in spring 2003, triggering a catastrophic pole shift. She predicts 90 percent of the population will perish, with massive flooding, volcanic eruptions, and 25 years of atmospheric gloom. Art presses her on survival strategies, and she recommends moving inland, distilling water, and growing alternative food sources.

Key Moments

  1. What an 'enhanced contactee' actually is: Lieder explains that being an 'enhanced contactee' means the Zetas inserted a bit of Zeta Reticulan DNA into a part of her brain dedicated to telepathic communication, an alteration she dates to her late 20s.

  2. Planet X passage in late spring 2003: Lieder rejects Sitchin's 3,657-year orbital timetable and says the Zetas have told her Planet X will arrive in late spring or early summer of 2003, less than a year from the broadcast, and she points to coordinates already posted on her Troubled Times site.

  3. Mechanics of the coming pole shift: Lieder describes Planet X cutting between Earth and the Sun at roughly 14 million miles, dragging Earth's south pole and causing a global pole shift, with the bulge off Brazil becoming the new north pole, India the new south pole, the Pacific shortening and the Atlantic widening.

  4. Survive: 100 miles inland, 200 feet up, 25 years of gloom: Lieder gives the core Troubled Times survival rule: to escape flood-tide sloshing you must be at least a hundred miles inland and a couple of hundred feet above sea level, and warns that all volcanoes will explode, leaving 25 years of gloom afterwards.

  5. Joshua's long day, the long night, and the hour of stopped rotation: Lieder ties Planet X to ancient lore, citing Joshua's long day, West Coast Indian accounts of a long night, and the Jewish Exodus three days of darkness, then describes Earth's rotation grinding to a halt for about a week before snapping into the new orientation in roughly an hour with hurricane-force winds and Richter 9 quakes worldwide.