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From the High Desert

A Cultural History of Art Bell

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April 17, 2002: Lizard People - Red Elk | Alternative Energy - Dr. Steven M. Greer

Apr 17, 2002
2h 47m
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Art Bell welcomes Dr. Steven M. Greer, who reveals that the Disclosure Project webcast became the largest in internet history, with 400,000 simultaneous viewers and over one million video downloads of military witnesses testifying about UFOs. Greer announces that his organization, Space Energy Access Systems, is assembling a team of physicists and engineers to build a prototype zero-point energy generator, with work beginning that very week.

Greer discusses the suppression of breakthrough energy technologies, describing a pattern of harassment, theft, and even murder targeting inventors and scientists. He names Colonel Charles Brown, a decorated Air Force officer who faced bomb threats after developing improved fuel efficiency technology. Greer argues that disclosing these suppressed energy systems is essential for addressing both climate change and geopolitical instability rooted in oil dependence.

In the second half, Native American medicine man Red Elk returns to discuss underground civilizations, describing enormous caves beneath the Earth's surface stretching hundreds of miles. He shares accounts of lizard-like beings called Draconians who colonized Earth long ago, and claims that shape-shifters walk among the surface population undetected. Red Elk warns of coming Earth changes including a polar shift occurring in three jerks over ten months, and teaches that objects in nature possess the ability to communicate with those willing to listen.

Key Moments

  1. Greer: we're going to build our own UFO: Steven Greer announces the next phase of the Disclosure Project: he's assembling a brain trust of physicists and fabricators - including a Townsend Brown protege and Mark McCandlish - to build a working zero-point energy generator and a small disc-shaped anti-gravity vehicle, an 'alien reproduction vehicle' to demonstrate to Congress and the public.

  2. Greer names 'Murder Incorporated' - inventors abducted, drugged, killed: Greer alleges a transnational, unconstitutional cabal - operating outside the President and Congress, what Senator Inouye called the shadow government - has for decades tortured, abducted, drugged, and murdered inventors and scientists working on free-energy and high-mileage technologies. He cites Colonel Charles Brown's bombed prototypes and Brigadier General Lovkin's testimony about people being 'erased.'

  3. Reptilian half-breeds shape-shift in plain sight: Red Elk says he routinely rubs shoulders with reptilian half-breeds passing as human, and that they shape-shift so fast that the only proof is a photograph caught mid-transition - like cardboard cutouts in a movie lobby that only a camera reveals. He claims he's seen them shift personally but has never managed to photograph one.

  4. Red Elk: Armageddon within 25 years: Red Elk tells Art that, on the path of greatest probability, civilization as we know it will collapse within 25 years, leaving survivors 30–40 years to rebuild on broken highways with poisoned water. He frames it as a war between Lucifer and the Creator playing out among the 'Unholy Four' alien races, with humanity as 'cheese in a mousetrap' carrying every soul-bearing bloodline.

  5. Red Elk: mirrors, walls, and roads trap events: Asked about the show's growing mirror-encounter mailbag, Red Elk says mirrors, walls, mountains, and valleys can trap events - not ghosts but the past caught like film. He claims medicine people already know how to converse with these objects, including talking to a road to ask which way a killer fled, tracing it like a bloodhound.